Outside the Box: Interviews with Contemporary Cartoonists by Hillary L. Chute

Author:Hillary L. Chute [Chute, Hillary L.]
Language: eng
Format: epub
Publisher: University of Chicago Press
Published: 2014-01-14T16:00:00+00:00

6.4. Phoebe Gloeckner, cover illustration from The Atrocity Exhibition (San Francisco: Re/Search, 1990). Used by permission of Phoebe Gloeckner.

HC. That’s so heartbreaking.

PG. They didn’t save any of her stuff. I mean, they had twelve people living in one room, and, you know, they might always live almost that way.

The police weren’t doing anything. So I really thought, “Well, gee. If I just find these people, maybe, you know, we could figure out what really happened,” but then of course that didn’t happen. I didn’t figure it out, so it’s not like a neat little thing that wraps up in the end, and everybody knows what happened. This last June I was there. I was going to interview this guy who was originally a suspect. Anyway, this guy I was going to interview was shot when I was there two blocks away. I was going to interview him that afternoon.

HC. This is a serious, in-the-thick-of-it, investigative journalism project.

PG. But I can’t say any names really. I can’t, so it’s not like that.

HC. Right, but part of it is. The procedure part of it is like that even if the result isn’t journalism in a typical fashion.

PG. It is like that, definitely.

HC. You’re out there interviewing people who are getting shot and tracking down subjects with cameras who haven’t been interviewed by the police. You’re doing all of this journalism work.

PG. I am. It’s not obvious, but all my work is like that.

“I WOULD JUST THROW THE TRASH ON THE FLOOR.”

HC. Will you explain your procedure of working with the dolls and the sets that is part of both of your Juárez projects?

PG. So you see this floor? It’s canvas with glue and sand mixed up and put on there. This has changed around a hundred times. I used to have loose sand everywhere, and then I was building little houses, but the cat started shitting in the sand, so then I had to glue the sand. I would come up here and there would be sand on the floor, and every time I had some trash I would never think about throwing it in the trash can. I would just throw the trash on the floor. Because in Juárez, it’s like there’s trash everywhere, and because on the outskirts they never have trash collection, and the sand covers it, and the wind blows and the trash is exposed, and it’s all over the place. So I was trying to cultivate bunches of trash.

This guy [picking up male doll inside a constructed set]. He’s a bad guy. You don’t see it, but he’s got a big dick in here with a wire in it, because he raped somebody, and I don’t know if I’m going to show that scene or not, but it has got to be there. Just because I know it’s there it makes him more threatening. I don’t have to be rude and show you his dick.

HC. What? You were talking about it.

PG. OK, let’s see it. It’s not that big, but it’s just there.

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